That is exactly a teaching of the Christian faith. You have to make this confession of faith. You are the Lord.” We have to say it. That the Son does the will of the Father. It would have been so easy for them to turn around and go with the wind back to where they came from. Here, there’s a very interesting technical, theological point. Yes. Sort of a personal, little, private look at the rapture, how fast it might be. You don’t get it.” He said, “Because if you say that God cannot beget a son and communicate to him, in a divine manner from all eternity, all the properties, characteristics, and qualities of divinity, you are not only vilifying in some sense or humiliating the Son, you’re blaspheming the Father!” Why? Now, how is it they can come to such and affirmative statement - in verse 33, “Thou art the Son of God” – when they have just come from such a grave disappointment? And I learned, and you’ll learn that that’s more precious than gold because it increases your capacity to glorify God.”. Here at Grace to You Europe we take our data protection responsibilities very seriously and, as you would expect, have undertaken a significant programme of work to ensure that we are ready for this important legislative change. All they really wanted was food for their stomachs. The Son is the son of God. And finally, on that fourth day, He came. They’re works that only God can perform. Is God the Father good? And they saw Him ruling the hearts of men. In 2 Samuel 7, we have the account of God making his covenant with David. First in the mountain in their intercession. And He came to Peter, and Peter just couldn’t handle it. Part two: A look at the orginal Greek and Hebrew words translated to "son". It’s not an attribute of God. We’re not animals. So when we confess Jesus as the son of God, what we are saying also is that his activities are divine, his words are divine, what he does is divine, that it has its origin in the Father and that there’s a mutual indwelling between the two hypostases or persons: the Father is in him; he is in the Father. And here comes the confirmation of the attitude of Peter. Now, I believe this is a picture of God’s love. Please be aware that these items are sent out from our office in the UK. Well, Gregory the Theologian argued and said, “That’s boloney! But it’s interesting that he doesn’t say it about himself. And the way you demonstrate love biblically is to meet a person at his need and meet the need. Now, let me just give you a footnote at the very beginning; it’ll help you to understand the whole passage. No, it’s only something that God can say. We saw that in the multitude. Facebook And that is why in St. John’s Gospel, where the author, St. John, will say, have Jesus say, “I and the Father are one.” He doesn’t mean one and the same person. They were good soil, and they bore much fruit. And so, after four days, his body was decayed. Now suppose the archetype is perfect and has an image. Length: 46:05. And look at verse 29. And she said, “Okay!” and from that moment she became an Nicene Orthodox Christian, following the Holy Fathers, because that’s basically what it is. He’s born from Mary. And He went over to the grave, and He said, “Lazarus, come out.” And he did. When James says, “The testing of your faith is ultimately producing perfection.” You see, the Lord runs us out as far as our faith will go, and then our faith ends, and we start to sink, He lets us begin to sink. Yes. Becoming a Son of God—Part 2 In this second half of the conversation, Morgan, John, Craig, and Bart discuss how God pursues them as a generous, intimate, and strong Father. Nevertheless, the point that we want to see now is, in confessing that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, we have to come to do that ourselves. That’s why you have in St. John’s Gospel Jesus, not only saying, “I and the Father are one” or “Everything that I have, I have received from my Father”—sometimes people are scandalized by this sentence, especially the super-orthodox. How could they possibly say, in the words of Peter, “We are sure?” I believe this incident gave them some major lessons. He’s a perfect Son, a perfect Logos, a perfect Word, a perfect Image, and that’s why there can only be one of them, because if there’s one God, there can only be one Son. It’s not too difficult to understand; just bear with me. Son of God « Film Chrétien en français - part 1 - 3. worship fever - Film Chrétien. I said to her, “Allie”—that’s her name—I said: You’re Hopko and I’m Hopko, right? And if you confess that Jesus is the Son, then you are confessing the Father, too. This difference was quite clear to the Jewish leaders who heard Jesus speak. There was no way to swim, not with all the stuff he had on, and not in the middle of that storm. He is not my Son; he is my Father.”, So Basil the Great, for example, will say that if Jesus says, “The Father is greater than I,” he’s speaking about their mode of interrelationship and the fact that the Son comes forth from the Father in a divine manner and is fully and completely divine. Basil, St. Gregory the Theologian, St. Gregory of Nyssa, Ambrose of Milan, Hilary of Poitier, and all of the holy Fathers after them, like John Chrysostom and Maximus and all of them, at the time of Nicaea, they would never have said, as sometimes we say today, that the Father is consubstantial to the Son. Let them ever shout for joy because Thou defendest them.” They would have sung that Psalm, no doubt, that God was a defender of His own. He loved to be where he was. There’s no darkness in him at all. It’s his, too, and it’s his by nature because he is God’s Son. Why not? The argument is a very simple one, almost too simple, but simple enough if anybody wants to understand it. You can’t say one of the attributes or characteristics—in Greek that would be “idiomata”—one of the idiomata or properties of God is to be Father. Fullness. We’re aware because we, too, have heard the teaching of Jesus. What we want to see now is that if Jesus really is the ontological, literal, real Son of God, then all the qualities that God the Father has, the Son also has except he’s not Father, and here it’s very important: that fatherhood, or paternity, is not a quality of God. The Father is not the Son and the Son is not the Father. Because then she wouldn’t have questioned. Are you God’s Son? Listen, God calls you to bow the knee to Jesus Christ. In fact, they had a tradition that the fourth day, the hovering spirit left because it couldn’t recognize the form anymore. That’s simply not true. If you want to keep your heart right, you must make room for these guests. “But immediately Jesus spake unto them, saying, ‘Be of good cheer; it is I; stop fearing.’, “And Peter answered Him and said, ‘Lord, if it be Thou, bid me come unto Thee on the water.’. When we confess for now, focusing on son, the Son of God, in that expression “the sun,” what we are saying is that he is absolutely, perfectly what the Father is, coming forth from the Father, but not being the Father. If I were to sum up this marvelous account in one simple statement, I would think the great lesson here is that with Christ we need not fear any storm. And here I would go so far as to say we can’t even say, “Jesus loves me, this I know, because the Bible tells me so. All rights reserved. In Greek it would go like this: Jesus of Nazareth is truly human, but he is not merely human. As wet is to water, so love is to God. That may be the most significant part of the whole scene – to go to Jesus. When they ask him, “Are you, then, the Son of God?” He said, “I am.” He even says, “Egō eimi,” which is the divine name, and they get all bent out of shape when they hear that. And we will see that in St. John’s Gospel, Jesus even says about himself, “I am”—which is the divine Name—“before Abraham was, I am. He knew it couldn’t withstand the storm any better than the little boat could. We have already established that Jesus, son of Mary, or as he is called by Muslims, Eissa ibn Maryam, performed his first miracle while cradled in Mary’s arms. Don’t chastise Peter. I want so much to be a part with You; I want to be a part with You.”. I see Him in this, demonstrating that divine love, reaching out to a frail, weak disciple; taking him where he was. As warm is to the sun, so love is to God. He’s not greater in the sense that he’s a being who is greater, like, for example, God would be greater than creatures. So it seems to me that there’s a very important point here in the Scripture of why Jesus doesn’t say these things himself, or at least not at first. I come forth from him. He was consumed with the fact that he wanted to get to Jesus. That’s just about as silly. He’s the holy God. If, really, he is the Son of God, born of a Virgin, and God is really his Father, and he is begotten of God, then he must be exactly what God is. Do you realize, as a Christian, that you have that double promise that Jesus Christ prays for you that your faith fail not? So much so that I can’t enjoy the fact that he’s alive.”. We saw Herod, who also openly, overtly, hardly rejected the message of Jesus Christ and would no doubt have killed Christ as he killed John the Baptist. How did they come to that conclusion? Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they do." So the Holy Fathers would say Jesus is a real human being because Mary is his mother, but he is also a real divine being with a divine nature because God is his Father. Are you really the Messiah? They are of God. That was part of their heritage. God proclaims that ascribing to Jesus the attribute 'son of God' or 'part of a Trinity' is indeed a great blasphemy. And then, even St. And when they saw Christ demonstrate that, there was little question but that He was one with God, and they worshipped Him. “Well, he stood outside the trial place of Jesus, and he denied him on three occasions.”. She said to me, “Daddy, is Jesus God?” And I wanted to kind of end the conversation [quickly] and get her off to kindergarten, and I said, “Yep, he’s God.” And then she looked at me with her big, wide eyes and said, “I thought God was his Father. Not clean, good ground. And we find that in this part of the text that we want to look at this morning, verse 28. He is telios anthropos but not psilos anthropos, in Greek, or gymnos anthropos, in Greek “nakedly human.” In other words, he’s a real human being, but he’s not merely a human being. The Son speaks the words of the Father. I think they were tempted by the events of the day preceding this particular event. He is the only one who can call God “Abba, Father,” literally. Worshiping the Son of God, Part 2. That particular sentence that I just said became a kind of commonplace in Orthodox doctrine, in the teaching of Orthodox theology. He is not bad. He may have even had difficulty floating in it, but for sure he never walked on it. With Christ we need not fear any storm because He is God who protects His own. Divine love. In a sense, it’s as simple as that. Love is a principle, and love is the principle of meeting needs, taking people from weakness to strength. The Protector of His beloved. So, his faith carried him that far. By the permission of God he spoke, and his first words were “I am a slave of God,” (Quran 19:30). And we were introduced to the shallow soil, where, for a while, there is interest, and something springs up, but never bears fruit because its roots cannot go deep; it’s too shallow. We are merely human. This is the end of everything else. Now, we’re looking at the disciples, and classifying them as the good soil, because they believed; they responded. It is essentially what Jude is saying in that marvelous, little epistle, where he says, “Keep yourselves in the love of God.” What he means by that is stay within the sphere where God’s love is manifest. But they understood Him to be equal with God. If the Son of God is the Word of God, that Word has to be perfect. In fact, if Jesus even told us, which in some sense he has, when he says, “You have said so” or “I am” or “That you may believe that I am who I am” or “that I am the Son of God,” but there’s a sense in which it is the calling of the creatures to confess him as the Son of God; to see him as a man; to hear him as a man; to observe him as a man; as even the son of man; and to observe him as Israel’s Messiah; to observe him as the one whom the Law, the Prophets foretold, and the Psalms. That was the pinnacle. How do you read the Scriptures?” even. “And when Peter was come down out of the boat, he walked on the water, to go to Jesus. Seem to make sense? And that’s why you have in the Scripture Jesus saying to the Apostles, “Who do you say that I am?” He doesn’t say, “Come here and I’m going to tell you: I’m the Christ.” No, he does these things and then he asks, “Who do you say I am?” because it’s got to be your decision. Secondly, He demonstrated to them His divine knowledge even though He was separated from them. Learn more about this series As Gregory the Theologian would say, “The generation of the son from the father must be timeless.” Achronos: it has no time to it, because there’s no time in God. So the way that came to be explained in Christian doctrine is that Jesus, being God’s Son and even the unique Son of God, is exactly what the Father is, but he is not who the Father is. Because if He loved, He would meet man at the great need of his sin. Peter learned that Jesus could take care of him when he couldn’t take care of himself in the ultimate extremity. He says, “Is He the coming one, or do we look for another?” That which began as faith sort of got lost somewhere in the hostilities and rejection, because it wasn’t going the way John thought it ought to go. If your mother is human, if that being from whom you are born [is], you must be exactly what that being from whom you are born is. Athanasius—interpreted Holy Scripture—they would say, “When Jesus says, ‘The Father is greater than I, because he is the Father and I am the Son,’ that’s all he’s saying: He is greater because he’s Father. There was security there; there was safety there; there was strength there. The word “worship” proskuneō, to bow, to kiss toward. 8:53. -- Gospel of Luke 23:34. It must be eternal, timeless, always existing. No. And so, he figured the Lord was in control of the whole deal. More "Conversations" sermons can be found at the INDEX to Conversations with Jesus. It’s interesting that that’s how Jesus answers John the Baptist when he, John, sends his messengers to Jesus to ask him: “Are you the one who is to come? You see, it sort of came and went for them. They had experienced the fact that He had healed them. Ultimately, we come to see them, and of course the Apostles themselves didn’t fully understand all this until Christ was risen, glorified, ascended into heaven, and the Holy Spirit was sent upon them. So we have to confess this, believe it in our heart and confess it with our lips, but we have to also come to know it by our own experience. There are those who argued, including the Arianizers of the fourth century, who did not believe in the absolute identity of the divinity of the Son with the Father. Let’s look at Matthew 14, and I would like to read for you verses 22 through to 33 as the setting for our study this morning. The logic of the Fathers was very simple: if Jesus is called “monogenēs huios, only-begotten son”... And by the way, in St. John’s Gospel as we’ll see later, there’s a variant of that text in the prologue, the first chapter, which doesn’t say “only-begotten son”; it says “only-begotten God.” It says “monogenēs theos,” that Jesus is an only-begotten divine being, that God Almighty generates—that would be the English word—another who is divine exactly how he is and what he is ... but not who he is. He is divine according to his Father and he is human according to his mother. If your boat is pointed to Capernaum, and you are following the course of obedience, He is there to rescue you. Well, the Christian mind would say, “Why do you say that? Not condemning him for his weakness, but building on it to strength. And when we’re thinking about Darwin these days, we’ll see. And Jesus still waited. I like the fact that all he could think about doing was running to where Jesus was, even though you couldn’t do that. You are divine. He cannot express himself perfectly in a defect. When you hear what I say, is that something that a mere man can say? So we’re all created to become sons of God. TruthPropagator. And we believe that that is possible when we meditate [on] the words of God, and then, by the power of the Holy Spirit, understand them and live by them. And the greater you faith, the greater you trust Him. Once, one of our daughters was in kindergarten and she was eating her breakfast—Rice Krispies or something—and I was caring for her that morning. And now they affirm what they have suspected all along. But there’s more that can be said. He is called what he is because of his progenitors, so to speak, but if he is divine with the same divinity as God his Father, he is not the Father, he’s the Son. Photius the Great, Maximus the Confessor, Mark of Ephesus, they all taught this—Gregory Palamas. What a profound lesson about God’s protecting love, when without human resource, when there is no way, He makes the storm His path to save His own. God so loved that He – what? Because you’re saying that God cannot really express himself perfectly. And they said, “Come because he’s sick.” And He didn’t come. The Son of God will say, “Everything I am I have received from my Father. GDPR is the new European privacy regulation, which will replace the Data Protection Act 1998 in the UK and the equivalent legislation across the EU Member States. And when they saw that in Christ, they made the obvious connection. You have the expression that the Son is consubstantial to the Father, of the same essence, the same divinity as the Father. He’s born of the Father. And I would invite you to take your Bible and open it to the fourteenth chapter of Matthew’s Gospel. Tom—if I said, “God is greater than I am,” well, you could answer and say, “No kidding! He simply cannot do it. They were all intimate with Jesus, and they had sent word that he was sick, and Jesus was up beyond the Jordan. But, you see, that’s what it’s all about in life. But the point now is that Jesus’ divinity is first and foremost that of God the Father. The Son even, in some sense, prays to the Father; certainly the human Jesus does. -- … We spoke about definite articles and not-definite articles and so on, but the confession is clear: “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” He is the only-begotten Son, ho monogenēs huios. Tom? John read the Scriptures his whole life. I mean even those of us who are showoffs know the limitations. You may give him a certain amount of impetuosity as an element of his character, but the man is not stupid. “You rejoice in that, even if need be you be going through heaviness because of your manifold trials.”, You see, now he sees the end of the deal, doesn’t he? And we say, “Lord, save me.” And when He does, that extends that faith just that much further. That’s why, in the Liturgy in our Orthodox Church, we say, “We give glory to the Father who is unoriginate,” who is agenitos, who is not generated and then “to the Son,” who is genitos, who is monogenēs, who is begotten of the Father. I am his Son. The completed registration allows us to send order and donation receipts to the email address you provided. Go tell him what you see.” Now, maybe that’s only pedagogical. God is the archē. What do you know? The reason for this is that when God was dealing with Christ on earth, He wasn’t dealing with the Son of God that sat in glory with Him before the world began, but with the Son of man, one who had become part of the son He lost in the Garden of Eden (Heb. He just cried, “Lord, save me.”, And here we see the loving Lord in verse 31, “And immediately” – immediately – “Jesus stretched forth His hand and caught him and said unto him, ‘O you of little faith, why did you doubt?’”, And, you know, my answer would have been, “Are you kidding? We are only human. There isn’t one God who, the same God, Father and who, the same God, is Son, and who, the same God, is Holy Spirit. THE PRODIGAL SON – PART 2. They knew they were in the presence of Him of whom the prophet Habakkuk said, “Thou didst walk through the sea, through the heap of great waters.” They knew they were in the presence of Him of whom Job 9:8 writes, “He treads upon the waves of the sea.” This was God, and they worshipped Him as such. We may speak about the Fatherhood of God, and we even believe that, by faith and by grace, we can address God as our Father, but only through and by Jesus, only by the Holy Spirit of God, who cries, “Abba, Father,” in us, as St. Paul will write to Galatians and to Romans. And I think he got out of that boat because he wanted to be with Jesus, and he had seen enough of the power of Jesus Christ demonstrated and now seeing Him standing on the water that he believed that the Lord could help him walk, too. God is love. 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